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good morning. My name is Alberto. can someone help me in the classification of this coin? thank you
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Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Hi,
it's a russian kopeck similar to mine's (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces113598.html), minted during the rule of tsar Alexei I in the mid-1600's. There are a few more varieties of it, yours is impossible to determine because the mintmark is located below the horse's feets (which are cut on your coin).
Your coin is mostly preserved, nice find!
Many thanks. I spent an afternoon translating the letters in Cyrillic. I can finally put it in the collection. thanks again alberto
Can you make better pictures and tell a weight and size? Looks a little bit suspicious...
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Quote: "Grinya"​Can you make better pictures and tell a weight and size? Looks a little bit suspicious...
​Indeed, it reminds me of some modern reproductions but I could be wrong.
Quote: "Grinya"​Can you make better pictures and tell a weight and size? Looks a little bit suspicious...
​Now that you talked, there's something strange with the text side. What is that damage, melting?
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Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Personally I don't like both side. Strange damage with some part of the letter on it and strange space around the spear might be normal, but the letter Ч which is upturned set me thinking that it is fake.
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Quote: "Grinya"​Personally I don't like both side. Strange damage with some part of the letter on it and strange space around the spear might be normal, but the letter Ч which is upturned set me thinking that it is fake.
​It is not upturned "Ч", this is "Ь" - the last letter in word "Мiхяiловчь", and this coin should be identified as catalog number KG#961 or KG#963 according to the catalog of Russian coin by Kleschinov and Grishin.

It is from the initial period of rule of Alexey Michailovich (1645-1650) and it is genuine.
Для всього свій час, і година своя кожній справі під небом
Quote: "glykan".... and it is genuine.

​If you know how these are made, and how much they cost, it is not worth to make forgeries....
But fakes exist....
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Quote: "PetrusAscanus"
Quote: "glykan".... and it is genuine.

​​If you know how these are made, and how much they cost, it is not worth to make forgeries....
​But fakes exist....
​Since I didn't have this coin in my hands, I should have said "highly probably genuine" - but I don't see any tell-tale signs of the forgery... Yes, fakes do exist but what I see are mainly the fakes of rather rare (and expensive) varieties, not something as common as a kopek of Alexey Michailovich. Though, with the constantly growing prices of this type of coins on the market we should expect to see the attempts to fake more common varieties - and our colleague from Bulgaria has already sent us a warning signal...
Для всього свій час, і година своя кожній справі під небом
Glykan, you are correct. Shame on me)
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Quote: "Grinya"​Glykan, you are correct. Shame on me)
​Don't be ashamed, it takes a while to get used to the old Russian grammar which is quite different from the modern one.
Для всього свій час, і година своя кожній справі під небом
Hi weight 0.46. Long 13 large 8mm.
Thank a Lot for the notice on The coin.
alberto
Weight is correct for the period - I strongly believe you have a genuine coin.
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Thanks a lot

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