I seem to be getting a lot of coins that have been drilled through or modified in some way. Irks me severely, especially when the coin is really old as it spoils the coin, and I'm not sure what to do with them. Quite frankly would like to get my hands on the perpetrators of this heinous crime... Sob, Sob, Grrrr.
Are they still collectables? How does this affect the value? Should I bury them in a time capsule in my back yard and forget about them? I've included a batch of samples;
Well the hole kills the value. BUT there is still a "value" in the case of an old coin, someone put a hole in it for a reason, kind of value. Gap fillers in a collection until you find a better one. I must admit it is a bit sad but there you go...it happened before you could do anything about it!
"The medals were issued unnamed; except those awarded to personnel of the Canadian Merchant Marine, RCMP, South African and Australian forces, which were named on the rim." some are made in silver .800
If a coin is in really good condition and it is rare and it has a hole in that shouldn't be their I would not scrap it. I do have just the one coin with a hole in it in my own collection its dated 1816 and is a contemporary fake made of copper when the genuine coin should be silver, as the hole is probably their because it was a good way to test whether or not it was fake i have chosen to keep it.
"The medals were issued unnamed; except those awarded to personnel of the Canadian Merchant Marine, RCMP, South African and Australian forces, which were named on the rim." some are made in silver .800
Wow! Thanks Ogramz, this info is really incredible... I've checked the rim and it has a series of 7 numbers and a name... I wonder if we can find out more about it on the site where you got this info?
i guess there were 2 different bars attached (oak leave design) one in silver one in bronze . says the british issues were cupro nickel canadian in silver and the australian in nickel silver i guess the southern rhodesian one is very rare only 1700 were issued. as to how to tell the difference id guess it would be the lettering on the rim. too bad its missing the ribbon "Initials 'E CRP' are those of the designer E. Carter Preston."
whats the name on rim say ?says thats important who it was issued to or what regiment if its a guy who received more honors or more known {say a general }then its price increases if you know these things. i couldnt tell you who was who but i read about that increasing value .maybe rim writing will hint you off to where it was issued to also
Quote: redsmithstudiosthat medal in the middle is Awesome, I would like that if you don't want it and would like to swap with me. What does the other side look like?
It's attracting quite some attention, so I'll scan in the other side when I'm home tonight and include the name and numbers on the rim too! Thanks, Janine
Janine, Looks Like you accidentally got something valuable, is this from that lot of coins you just bought? Its historically valuable ether way!
Ogramz, where are you getting all this info? why did they give this out? was it for acts of valor? I see the griffin/dragon/rat creator has two heads, is that for Italy and Germany?
If it has a number and name on it, you should be able to track down who it was given to.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Quote: redsmithstudiosJanine, Looks Like you accidentally got something valuable, is this from that lot of coins you just bought? Its historically valuable ether way!
Ogramz, where are you getting all this info? why did they give this out? was it for acts of valor? I see the griffin/dragon/rat creator has two heads, is that for Italy and Germany?
If it has a number and name on it, you should be able to track down who it was given to.
Yes Redsmisthstudios, I did get it in a recent lot of coins that I bought on auction. I'll include better scans of both sides and the rim detail tonight. I'm keen to find out more about the history of this coin and Ogramz seems to have a wealth of information. Kind regards, Janine
Herewith a scan of both sides of the medal as promised. On the obverse it has the initial 'PM' below the neck and on the reverse it has the Initial 'E CRP' (identified by Ogramz as; E. Carter Preston) near the right front foot of the Lion. It is dated 1939 - 1945.
The details on the rim of the medal are; 'C 568303 D. KRAAI'
I recently picked up an 1861-O USA half dollar - holed. It's a WB-104 CSA strike - mostly blackened, but the detail is close to AU. I actually wanted the holed coin, not just for the detail at a low price ($20), but for the history of the coin. In early 1861 the New Orleans mint was taken over by the state of Louisiana after it seceded from the Union, then the Confederacy took it over for a few months before running out of silver. I'd like to imagine a confederate soldier wearing my coin around his neck during the civil war.
Since we are talking about "man holed" coins someone sold me this coin. I collect world coins with a hole but wasn't aware that Guatemala 10 centavos coin was never issued with a hole in it.
I must say it looks very authenic and cool though.Sometimes I wonder why somebody would ruin such a lovely coin and for what? Just for fun?
I've always wondered why the holes are sometimes in the center. Most often they seem to be near the edge, probably to wear around the neck. There's probably a good reason for a center hole, but I have no idea what it is. Maybe to attach to a belt or something?
Even though that link refers to Chinese coins, I guess the principal is the same.
See in there under History. Says a lot of low value coins can be strung together to make a higher value.
Even though that link refers to Chinese coins, I guess the principal is the same.
See in there under History. Says a lot of low value coins can be strung together to make a higher value.
That makes sense, and I think I may have seen other examples of that in the past.
Yes, that does make sense... I've some with two holes, that I assume were used for buttons... I've decided that while these coins may have been devalued, they still have great historical value, and I'm going to set up a separate display for all of my coins that have holes made by men...
Even though that link refers to Chinese coins, I guess the principal is the same.
See in there under History. Says a lot of low value coins can be strung together to make a higher value.
There is no right nor wrong way to collect coins. If you're happy with something, then it's OK for you, and usually there are numerous others who believe the same way. Usually few of us ever set out to buy damaged or cull coins, but when we find them in lots or collections which we've purchased, most of us add them to our collection as "fillers" if for no other reason.
Personally, I don't like non-circulating commemorative coins; but, there again, if they are in a lot that I've bought, they are included into my collection. Currently in my US coin collection, I have all of the Dollar Coins from the start; but, sadly to say, except for the Morgan and the Peace Dollar, they are either copies, or excellent heavy silver-plated current Chinese Counterfeits ... and labeled as so.
There seem to be several main types of "Collectors": Horders: Those who for whatever reason throw whatever coins that they fancy into a jar or drawer, but have no real interest in researching or studying them. Investors: Those who save coins for their eventual increase in value. Enthusiasts: Those who collect for pleasure and probably to learn about them. (This most often depicts me, and possibly most of us.)
The next time that you hear Old Blue Eyes sing "I did it my way!", enthusiastically sing along too!
There is no right nor wrong way to collect coins. If you're happy with something, then it's OK for you, and usually there are numerous others who believe the same way. Usually few of us ever set out to buy damaged or cull coins, but when we find them in lots or collections which we've purchased, most of us add them to our collection as "fillers" if for no other reason.
Personally, I don't like non-circulating commemorative coins; but, there again, if they are in a lot that I've bought, they are included into my collection. Currently in my US coin collection, I have all of the Dollar Coins from the start; but, sadly to say, except for the Morgan and the Peace Dollar, they are either copies, or excellent heavy silver-plated current Chinese Counterfeits ... and labeled as so.
There seem to be several main types of "Collectors": Horders: Those who for whatever reason throw whatever coins that they fancy into a jar or drawer, but have no real interest in researching or studying them. Investors: Those who save coins for their eventual increase in value. Enthusiasts: Those who collect for pleasure and probably to learn about them. (This most often depicts me, and possibly most of us.)
The next time that you hear Old Blue Eyes sing "I did it my way!", enthusiastically sing along too!
Acclaim for what you have written is acknowledged and as you put it: that is "coin collecting" at its best. It is what you make it. Sometimes, I think we "collectors" meet many of the titles you have given: I believe I am an enthusiast but live in the hope that I am investing! Just from the amount of coins I have but don't necessarily need, I am hording too!
I feel so enlightended... Thanks to everyone who have added to this Post.
As per bam777, I've also decided that I qualify a little under all three of the collector titles "coined" by bobbutler.
I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to my coins, bordering on obsessive compulsive, so in order to settle myself on this issue, I've set up a new category to display coins that have been holed or modified in some way, as well as those that are flattened or out of shape under "Unique / modified Coins", stored together with coins that have been converted into jewelry, trench art coins, medals, tokens and basically all coins that do not qualify for a grade of good or better.
I now have quite a large collection that fits into this category, and I've come to really enjoy them. They are interesting and make for a great conversation piece when showing them to family or friends.
Thanks again for everyones input. This forum is fantastic!
someone sold me this coin. I collect world coins with a hole but wasn't aware that Guatemala 10 centavos coin was never issued with a hole in it.
