Not coins! But I'm sure I'm not the only person here with old guns, so why not a thread for them? Here's one of mine from the 1960s
Remington 513T - Back in the day this was a match rifle, .22 long rifle, with a 28" bull barrel and massive forearm. There's a point at the end of the stock pressing against the barrel, it's not free floating, so depending on the harmonics of the ammo it's either really awesome or really terrible
Here's with ammo that matches the harmonics. FYI for the Europeans and other liberal hippies reading this who don't shoot much, to get a group that accurate you actually have to shoot between heartbeats
Quote: "sc.rednek"Here's with ammo that matches the harmonics. FYI for the Europeans and other liberal hippies reading this who don't shoot much, to get a group that accurate you actually have to shoot between heartbeats
What if I told you there are also Europeans who like to shoot?
Quote: "sc.rednek"Here's with ammo that matches the harmonics. FYI for the Europeans and other liberal hippies reading this who don't shoot much, to get a group that accurate you actually have to shoot between heartbeats
What if I told you there are also Europeans who like to shoot?
I know there are some... You have any interesting firearms?
Quote: "sc.rednek"
FYI for the Europeans and other liberal hippies reading this who don't shoot much, to get a group that accurate you actually have to shoot between heartbeats
You would be surprised... I do not have myself but a member of my family has some old firearms (roughly 1800-1950), some of them really rare, from Napoleon muskets to MP40.
Since you are from the USA, in my grandfather house, there was a US civil war long rifle on the wall. I know my great-grandfather purchased it to an old men who went to the USA like in the 1890's.
Collecting firearms, mainly old firearms, is not unusual here. The thing is that you (officially) need a license for most of them in Belgium. I guess in other European countries too.
Here’s one I got a few months ago, an Egyptian Hakim in 8mm mauser made in 1965. There was still a little sand when I cleaned out the internals, as well as a lot of cosmoline. I suspect the previous owner(s) had never even shot it since it was imported.
As for licenses, I live in a free country so I just paid the seller and walked out with my gun.
Quote: "Jarcek"Liberal hippie Europe has psychiatric evaluations for people wanting to buy a gun. You know, it solves a lot of things.
No wars have been fought on US continental soil since 1865. How's it been going in Europe meanwhile?
Gun owners have very sound, logical minds -
Two hunters were walking through the woods when one grabbed his chest, turned purple and fell to the ground unmoving. His friend called 911 and in a panic told the operator that his companion had dropped dead. "Slow down" said the operator, "First let's make sure he's dead." She heard a couple of footsteps followed by a loud gunshot. "OK, now what?" he asked.
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Quote: "Jarcek"Liberal hippie Europe has psychiatric evaluations for people wanting to buy a gun. You know, it solves a lot of things.
No wars have been fought on US continental soil since 1865. How's it been going in Europe meanwhile?
We have vetting here in New Zealand too. I had to go through it to get my firearms licence. I've got a .22 for bunny shooting and a .308 for hunting bigger things.
Of course a country with as many guns as people is going to have a higher gun crime rate.
But the thing is I still wouldn’t have more gun laws, I’ve accepted that there is a minute risk that I might get shot, better that than to get acid thrown in my face.
In order to keep this thread on rails, here’s another one. My model 1924 Yugo mauser. Its a mutt, it has no matching parts, its been polished to hell, and not even in an original m1924 stock, but its my favorite plinking rifle.
Quote: "Roublizer"Of course a country with as many guns as people is going to have a higher gun crime rate.
But the thing is I still wouldn’t have more gun laws, I’ve accepted that there is a minute risk that I might get shot, better that than to get acid thrown in my face.
Canada has almost as many guns per person as the USA and their gun crime rate is a small fraction of their southern neighbours.
If you're a responsible gun owner then you really have nothing to worry about with the vetting. Over here you have to do a course on gun safety and then sit a pretty basic gun safety test. You have someone come around to check that you have a secure place to lock up the guns and then give you a little interview. If they're happy that you're ok to have guns they recommend you for a licence. A quick police background check later and you've got your licence.
My father used to own a WWI rifle like this one.
I really like the bar and notch sights that you could set up to 2.5 kilometers.
Of course the Europeans come in to ruin another thing... I can't see this thread lasting much longer.
Neil- I can't find any statistic that puts Canada anywhere close to the US in gun ownership, the highest I've seen is 35 for every 100 people, a source would be appreciated.
I also cannot fathom willingly letting the police into my home to make sure everything's "kosher"
Cas- What you are leaving out is that Europe has 2 shootings that top the list before the US arrives on the scene, Bataclan and the Norway attacks. Three if you count the Beslan siege, which by itself ties the US in school shooting deaths in a single incident.
And yes, it is the price of freedom. To quote one of America's founders "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". There's a reason we separated from our European founders, and I wish you people would keep to yourselves (and before someone points out that the US is in everyone's business, we're trying our best to fix Europe's mistakes made over the past 200 years).
America's not perfect, I admit that. In fact most gun violence happens in the inner cities where guns are much more restricted, while some will say that that shows that gun laws are ineffective, I beg to differ. The true reason is that the inner cities are mostly made up of very poor and disenfranchised residents, who often turn to crime to meet ends meet. If we could solve this, then we would most likely have gun violence rates similar to other developed countries.
Phil does have a point, like the US in terms of gun ownership, Switzerland has had few issues since it has mandated that all citizens of fighting age be armed, which helped it survive the (European induced) horrors of the world wars.
Quote: "Roublizer"Of course the Europeans come in to ruin another thing... I can't see this thread lasting much longer.
Oh come on, the derogatory original post talking about "Europeans and other liberal hippies" was intended to stir up off topic debate and achieved its purpose. I'm liberal, but I am also a gun owner, I've been shooting them since I was a kid and was junior champion at my local smallbore club right through my teens. There was really no need to stir things up with that comment. If he had just said "Here is my cool gun, show me yours" it would have been fine.
In another effort to keep this thread on topic here’s my STAR BM. Made from the 70’s to the 90’s they were in use by the Spanish Police for many decades. In the past year or two they’ve been surplused and are super cheap right now, I’ve seen them for as low as $179 online and they will only increase in price once supplys run out. It’s an excellent gun if you are on a budget or just getting into guns.
whoops, almost gave you guys the side with the serial number
It takes an American red neck to come on to a European based coin site and talk about guns.
With a deliberate ploy to wind up the Europeans by calling them liberal hippies because they don't allow guns to be used by all there citizens , all slightly pathetic me thinks!
We don't need guns in Britain to live a normal happy life, to allow every Tom, Dick & psycho to carry a firearm so they can end up shooting schoolchildren is not on our radar of things to do!
Liberal Hippies has nothing to do with not allowing every man and woman to carry a gun, we just don't want them in every day life.
Firearms when necessary only!
people talking without speaking, people hearing without listening
Quote: "Iainmac"It takes an American red neck to come on to a European based coin site and talk about guns.
With a deliberate ploy to wind up the Europeans by calling them liberal hippies because they don't allow guns to be used by all there citizens , all slightly pathetic me thinks!
We don't need guns in Britain to live a normal happy life, to allow every Tom, Dick & psycho to carry a firearm so they can end up shooting schoolchildren is not on our radar of things to do!
Liberal Hippies has nothing to do with not allowing every man and woman to carry a gun, we just don't want them in every day life.
Firearms when necessary only!
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that the original comment by sc.rednek was made only in jest, but it's undeniable the asinine comments and politicisms targeting "liberals" and "Europeans" made by Phil and Roublizer afterwards have gone way too far. That's not just crossing the line, that's straight up taking a dump on it; why is this sort of belligerent behaviour being tolerated here? The solution is clear.
Otherwise I'm in perfect agreement with everything else quoted above. I never knew accepting having schoolchildren being killed every other week was "the price of freedom" (to own killing machines, mind you). Utterly terrifying is what it is, nothing less.
My attention has just been drawn on this topic. I am not going to censor it. As it has been pointed out several posts ago, it is a free salon to chat.
Regarding fire-arms, I have been working with them quite a long time. I know the feeling. I also know the risks, and therefore, I do not own any.
Want a story ? Coming back from an operation, where many people died, including several friends, I jumped in a train. I was tired, sad, exhausted, fed up with what I had seen. I was wearing the full BDU, including side-arm. In the theater I was coming from, human life was worthless. A guy is fooling you ? Just shoot at him... The conductor of the train did not want to grant me the reduced price for servicemen because I did have the f* form... I opened my holster and realised (ans stopped)... His face was grey. He left.
Owning a weapon is potentially dangerous, how clever and rational you are. Shit may happen.
Regarding the comments about who is a pussy, a liberal hippie and so on... Please don't make you ridiculous with such nonsense ;-)
Being proud being living in the biggest democracy and denying to other the right to have their own beliefs is somewhere .... questionable ;-)
For those who feel offended, remind you of dear Rudyard':
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
Quote: "pnightingale"No wars have been fought on US continental soil since 1865. How's it been going in Europe meanwhile?
well, that is basically because the us has fought its wars outside its borders, like iraq, afghanistan, vietnam, etc..
but it's also a question f what you mean by war..the thousands of mass shootings at mosques, the school shootings, etc, is a kind of war as well, don't you think?
I can say that the arguments from Phil and Roublizer are treading quite over the limit of mutual respect between our fellow users. If this does not change soon, not only will the forum become a disaster of existence, but also no one will benefit. It is either that the aforementioned people, especially Phil, take the change proactively, stop the inappropriate comments and make the world a better place - otherwise, it is almost certain it will be enacted with force to stop these sort of comments. In this case, it will be a reasonable act - unlike most other arguments that involved gunfire and injuries, which is clearly unreasonable.
To put up with all these 'gun owners have self-control' and 'guns don't kill, people kill' arguments - if you have a basic logical mind, you can find the argument is fallacious. The main argument is that there is too much leniency regarding the use of an overly powerful weapon in daily life - not that guns are able to mortalise a person. To state that gun violence rates are high because the US allows every person to have a gun is evading the person - just look at the effect of controlling guns! There are many comparisons that can be made in countries without guns and with guns - which I do not elaborate more here.
Look at the statistics. For those who say 'guns give protection', just go check that even with such powerful weapons as guns, many attacks still happen. Guns are not equivalent to definite protection - the cases where guns can be effectively utilised by victims against attackers are minimal. It can even cause a lot of accidental shootings.
For Switzerland, military use of guns can clearly NOT be compared with the case in the United States. Also, there are other factors such as the mountainous terrain as well as the geopolitics surrounding the economy of Switzerland.
TL;DR: Guns require people to function them ≠ We should not restrict them. Guns can give protection theoretically, but that has rarely happened in actual cases when guns are needed. Military use is not equivalent to the current case.
Quote: "Roublizer"But the thing is I still wouldn’t have more gun laws
what laws? when anyone can buy a leathal weapon without any background check, and a 50/50 chabce they might glance at your id just to make sure you're over 18, i'm having a hard time to understan what kind of "laws" you are talking about..
I don't see anything provocative in my original post. It's simply a fact, stated without any hyperbolic claims of "thousands of mass shootings". and "death machines". Strange that the fabricated outrage originates from someone on a final warning after repeated references to other members as "cretins" and "pricks". I really don't think I need any life lessons from your kind, toots.
Other than that I relayed a story I heard recently at the expense of "The Fudds" - city boys running through the woods in their brand new camos killing small game with over powered sporting rifles.
I haven't made any comments about the rights or wrongs of gun ownership, haven't called anyone a liberal hippie or a red neck. So keep my name out of your manipulative dramas.
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