Numista Climate Change Tracker

As I was reading this post in Free Discussion -Say no to snow campaign! I was wondering:

We have all these people all over the world on Numista – WHY – could we not track Climate Change here on Numista. I think that would be so cool and informative.

Most of us live in our own little part of the world and know nothing about the changes of the weather in other parts of the world other than what we read in papers.
What's your thoughts. Ed

My stat side says this won't work.
My let's just have fun side says why the heck not.
In southern Ontario, it's friggin cold -20 or so.

As I said, my stats side says there's no way we can aggregate sufficient and sufficiently unbiased (see problems with recording data and how extremes will be over reported) data so as to in any way provide a decent representation of what climate change is actually doing. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually ended up with a "general temperature drop" instead of a rise due to pro-extreme biases.

If we just want to have a post to rant about bad, or excellent weather, I'm all for it.

If Climate prediction CPDN is the subject, click on the word FRANCE from my signature.
Thank you.

Weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

I guess I was looking for the effects climate has had on parts of the world as our members have noticed from one period to another.
Like loruca pointed out - there's no way we can aggregate sufficient and sufficiently unbiased (see problems with recording data and how extremes will be over reported) data so as to in any way provide a decent representation of what climate change is actually doing.

Thank you CREPOSUC nice site and I will be reading it. Ed

The weather or climate, whichever is most fitting, has certainly changed in Florida. Summers are damned hot but in practical terms there's not much noticeable difference between 95 and 100 degrees. It's much more noticeable during the winter months with the almost complete absence of cold snaps and record breaking highs year on year. Mild winters sound great but without the cold shock to send plants into their dormant state they just keep growing and flowering all year round. That's not good for them and a price has to be paid. Each spring sees the loss of long established shrubs and perennials.

I'm neither a climatologist or a botanist, I'm a lifelong gardener and that's the perspective I view it all from. Local data can't be used to support claims of global change, often because it has a local cause. In our case we have allowed greedy out of state developers to drain many of the local bayous and cover them with roads and high rise condos. I don't need any experts to tell me that destroying the lungs of our local climate will have an adverse impact on both temperature and drainage. The same greedy hacks who took bribes to approve these monstrosities are now trying to put them blame on me because I drive a truck instead of a Prius hybrid. I give them the same attention that I give to Matt Damon when he flies in on his private jet to lecture us hicks on the need to reduce our carbon footprint.

It's very sad that caring for one's environment has been turned into a political weapon. I just ignore both sides of the argument and try to live the most sustainable lifestyle possible. It's more than just recycling and buying a trendy bumper sticker to virtue signal to the neighbors. We don't use Round Up or any type of commercial weedkiller and we avoid pesticides and compound fertilizers. We collect rainwater to meet all our watering needs and we compost every scrap of organic material to keep the soil fertile. I have the best looking garden in the neighborhood! The crazy part? Both of these things are verboten by the EPA! while using the highly toxic Round Up and clogging our waterways by the run off from high nitrogen fertilizers are just peachy. It's amazing what greasing a few palms with industry lobbyist's money can accomplish eh?

Honestly I'm doing the best I can for both the climate and my environment, I just wish the government would stop "helping".

Quote: "pnightingale"​​Honestly I'm doing the best I can for both the climate and my environment, I just wish the government would stop "helping".

​Even though individual acts to respect the environment can help as small streams make big rivers, it is clear that the fight against climate change can only be a success if it is relayed by governments of the biggest countries and therefore firstly by the USA which, to say the least, does not show a good example (acceleration of the oil extraction by hydraulic fracture, rejection of international agreements on climate, etc ...). Even the governor of California who is forced to remind his president what climate change means ...
And yet both on the east side with the strength increase of cyclones and on the west coast with a malingar Colorado and fires without limit, the stresses of the global warming are badly felt. What will be the summer temperature in Phoenix in 10 years?
I recently read that "fashion" was responsible for nearly 10% of carbon emissions worldwide! Where is responsible consumption?
Fortunately in the USA, there are whistleblowers like Alexander Payne in "Downsizing" the fight is not lost!

Quote: "Frenchlover"​

Quote: "pnightingale"​​Honestly I'm doing the best I can for both the climate and my environment, I just wish the government would stop "helping".

Even the governor of California who is forced to remind his president what climate change means ...
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It's one thing when our hypothetical climate change denier is some disgruntled, insecure nobody spouting his rants and conspiracy theories on the Internet, but quite another when they're arguably the most powerful person in the world.

Unfortunately it seems like one of those currently, is.

Quote: "pnightingale"​The weather or climate, whichever is most fitting, has certainly changed in Florida. Summers are damned hot but in practical terms there's not much noticeable difference between 95 and 100 degrees. It's much more noticeable during the winter months with the almost complete absence of cold snaps and record breaking highs year on year. Mild winters sound great but without the cold shock to send plants into their dormant state they just keep growing and flowering all year round. That's not good for them and a price has to be paid. Each spring sees the loss of long established shrubs and perennials.
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​I'm neither a climatologist or a botanist, I'm a lifelong gardener and that's the perspective I view it all from. Local data can't be used to support claims of global change, often because it has a local cause. In our case we have allowed greedy out of state developers to drain many of the local bayous and cover them with roads and high rise condos. I don't need any experts to tell me that destroying the lungs of our local climate will have an adverse impact on both temperature and drainage. The same greedy hacks who took bribes to approve these monstrosities are now trying to put them blame on me because I drive a truck instead of a Prius hybrid. I give them the same attention that I give to Matt Damon when he flies in on his private jet to lecture us hicks on the need to reduce our carbon footprint.
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​It's very sad that caring for one's environment has been turned into a political weapon. I just ignore both sides of the argument and try to live the most sustainable lifestyle possible. It's more than just recycling and buying a trendy bumper sticker to virtue signal to the neighbors. We don't use Round Up or any type of commercial weedkiller and we avoid pesticides and compound fertilizers. We collect rainwater to meet all our watering needs and we compost every scrap of organic material to keep the soil fertile. I have the best looking garden in the neighborhood! The crazy part? Both of these things are verboten by the EPA! while using the highly toxic Round Up and clogging our waterways by the run off from high nitrogen fertilizers are just peachy. It's amazing what greasing a few palms with industry lobbyist's money can accomplish eh?
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​Honestly I'm doing the best I can for both the climate and my environment, I just wish the government would stop "helping".

I don't like polemics, but there's three things I need to mention here.

Trucks are cool, trucks are manly, trucks even have a song.​ But if you don't need a truck, and you care about the environment, go buy a fiat 500 or a hybrid of sorts, U.S. Oil consumption per capita is amongst the highest in the world and 15-20% of your national carbon dioxide emissions come from transportation.
Let's talk new cars, so much more fuel efficient than any "good ol' truck": a Ford F-150 this year is rated 22 MPG, a Fiat 500XL is rated at 33. That's 50 % more, and it isn't a hybrid. (The infamous "Prius" hits 55 MPG). If the US suddenly moved to medium-sized cars from trucks, ta-dah. You'd basically have reached your 2028 Paris agreement goals.
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions[

Talk about the EPA, I really don't think they're the ones stopping you from composting or collecting rainwater.
in fact, here's handy dandy EPA instructions on why you should compost.

https://www.epa.gov/sustainable-management-food/reducing-impact-wasted-food-feeding-soil-and-composting#Stormwater%20Best%20Management%20Practices';

And here, they talk about how to collect stormwater!

https://www.epa.gov/soakuptherain/soak-rain-rain-barrels

I'm not a fan of generalizations. If there's a specific local reason, i.e. you live next to a sensitive aquatic ecosystem, then it's a different story. But I don't run on a two tiered system , I agree Florida is a mess, it shouldn't have been built up. And you know how that happens? It really isn't through the free market and less regulation. It's through the government not being scared of stepping in and stopping the developers. You guys down south need a bit more socialism in your lifes. The Quebecers on holiday in the sun must tell you that all the time.

Quote: "loruca"​But if you don't need a truck, and you care about the environment, go buy a fiat 500 or a hybrid [...]. Let's talk new cars, so much more fuel efficient than any "good ol' truck": a Ford F-150 this year is rated 22 MPG, a Fiat 500XL is rated at 33. That's 50 % more, and it isn't a hybrid. [...] If the US suddenly moved to medium-sized cars from trucks, ta-dah. You'd basically have reached your 2028 Paris agreement goals.

​Agreed! Why us everone driving to big cars in the US? And they drive everywhere! They could be shopping at Walmart, then they go to their big ass truck, jumps in and drives cross the street, jumps out and buys a burger. I was the only one who walked across the street (and also the only one who didn't buy that messy fat dripping burger with more mayonnaise and fat that actual burger), and everyone looked at me is if I was an alien. They like "Hey man, why didn't you bring your truck?"

Well, fort starters, I don't have a truck. And secondly, it's exactly 35 meters!!

But talking about the climate. Living in tje nlrtjern oart of the globe it's really obvious that the climate is changing. 10 years ago we had snow, lots of snow, from November to January. Nowadays, if we'ew lucky, the temperature drops under 0. We got snow last week. For one day. How much? It barely covered the grass. So yeah, it doesn't take a genious to see what's happening. Honestly, it should be illegal to deny it.

The climate is always changing. It was changing long before the modern era. The main question is: do these actual changes have any relation to human activity, or it's just a non-scientific quasi-religious hysteria that was started by some people to gain cheap popularity? 20 years ago everyone was crying about ozone holes and that we are all going to die soon. 20 years passed, nothing bad has happened, and ozone holes problem was renamed into abstract "climate change problem".

Is the climate changing? Yes, it is.
Does it have direct relations with human activity? That's the main question. Proove it.

There is absolutely no scientific doubt about the close relationship between human activity and global warming.

Human activity (industries, transport, heating, etc.) exponentially increases the rate of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrogen peroxide in the atmosphere.

All these greenhouse gases help raising the average temperature of the Earth. It's proven by the three major compilations based on measured surface temperatures: GISS, HadCRU and NCDC.

A rapid look through internet will allow you to better understand the short-term and medium-term consequences of this increasing rate of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and non-linear phenomena, ie thermal runaway , which result, up to potential irreversible catastophes as the Gulfstream stop or the melting of permafrost in Siiberia.
Several studies including the Woods Hole Research Center (US) published in 2016 evoke the gases emitted by the melting of permafrost, contributing to the acceleration of the warming which in turn favors the melting of permafrost - a real vicious circle . In the most optimistic scenario, permafrost is expected to melt by 30% by 2100 and release 160 billion tonnes of Greenhouse gases!

For the famous hole in the ozone layer that exerts its protective effect on life on Earth by limiting its exposure to ultraviolet rays, once is not usual on the front of the protection of the environment, the news in the matter are good. The hole closes very slowly but steadily.
It is a success of the entire international community with the immediate prohibition of the CFC gasess on 1985 and then the HCFCs like the R22 type in 2010. It was an high cost change for industry and it was done just in time. This is the commonly accepted view of this problem and the causal link between CFC gases and depletion of the ozone layer. Several critical studies taking the opposite side of this causal link are admissible because it is a much more complex problem to put into equation than the relationship between the emission of greenhouse gases and global warming.
And for consequences on the health of this famous Ozone hole, you can not note them in Russia. In New Zealand, on the other hand, the term "close protection" really means something. Everywhere, there are free distributors ... of sunscreen: in restaurants, hotels, sports shops, surf clubs or on the pontoons of yachtclubs, and even at the exit of offices. Why so many precautions? Because the "land of the long white cloud" could be renamed today "land of fiery sun": the ultraviolet radiation, causing burns and skin cancer, is here one of the strongest in the world. For example, researchers have calculated that the annual UV dose received by a resident of Central Otago, a region of the South Island, is twice as high as that which affects a German from Bavaria (the equivalent in latitude in the Northern Hemisphere). Like Australia, South Africa, Argentina and Chile, the New Zealand archipelago is located in the southern part of the Southern Hemisphere deemed to be high risk because of its proximity to Antarctica, which overlooks the famous "hole" of the ozone layer.

And finally, another touch of humor from the incredible Donald Trump: