This is a rare Early Dated copper piece. This
Double Mite was minted in Namur.
This goldgulden was minted in Nordlingen. There
are less than 12 collectible.
When I post a coin that has a certain number of coins collectable,
I am referring to the number that are available to the public. This
number does not include coins in museum collections or unknown
pieces, those that are in private collections. These numbers/ facts
are per Robert Levinson's book "The Early Dated Coins of Europe
1234-1500" 2nd edition.
The catalogue number should be I-362a. This
Ducat was minted in Hamburg.
Quote: "arpad"Thank you for your quick response. I will read through everything you recommend
when I eat lunch. The year 903 (1498) would then be 595 (1498-903= 595) . What is
the significance of the year 595? Thanks again. Arpad
You are welcome
No, the year 903 lasted from 7 of September 1497 till 26 of August 1498. You can use some of online date converter to calculate this. Or just check the date on a coin page on Numista
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Quote: "arpad"Thank you for your quick response. I will read through everything you recommend
when I eat lunch. The year 903 (1498) would then be 595 (1498-903= 595) . What is
the significance of the year 595? Thanks again. Arpad
There is no significance of the year 595; the lunar year of the Islamic calendar is slightly (by about 11 days) shorter than the solar year of most other calendars, so the dates slip a bit over time (by about three years per century).
The actual significant year is 622, the date of Muhammad's move from Mecca to Medina (though I'm not very sure of the exact connotations of this move).
Incidentally, I also miss you on CCF; it took some complications to get even as far as 1461 in the Fifth Edition without your help, and we're still not sure if we could get past 1460 anytime soon (if ever).
For the record, the 1521 Salzburg pfennig I posted in this thread was my second oldest AD dated coin (I do not have any photos of the first oldest, a 1517 zweier also from Salzburg); meanwhile, Islamic dated coins from the 15th century AD turned out to be nowhere near as common as I thought (or, at least, nowhere near as common as those of the 14th century), and thus I do not yet have any (I should probably be looking for a Crimean example, but I'm not sure if I could afford one).
So, given my current collection, my next opportunity to post will not be until we get to 1361 AD (which doesn't sound particularly likely).
I currently have two 1460 dated coins. (1) 1459, (2) 1458, (0) 1457
and (2) 1456 as well. I have no coins for the years 1451-1455. After
that I have several earlier dates but none of the really tough ones.
The forum would still have to fill many dates just to get back to 1425.
I enjoyed my time at CCF but fate had other plans.
Gujarat Sultanate - 1 Tanka - Nasir al-din Mahmud shah I - AH897 (AD1492) - G&G#G112
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This piece is an upgrade to the one above.
They are both copper. Early dated copper
is rare-very rare. Bob Levinson and Donald
Dool have the top collections in this series.
This is a double petard. The mint is unknown.
Less than 12 collectable.
This is an upgrade to the above piece,
be that as it may.
This double Griffon was minted in Malines.
The ID should read II-94.
The 1487 and 1486 dated coins
are per Robert Levinson's 2ed. book, some of the rarer
dates. More than half of the examples have fewer than
six examples. The others rarely come up for auction,
and many of those have barely recognizable dates. These
remarks concern European coins from this period, not
Islamic or other regions from this period.
Aq Qoyunlu - Tanka - Yaqub - retrograde date AH891 (AD1486)
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This four Mites was minted in Antwerp. This is the
first dated copper piece. While copper coins were used
extensively in Southern Europe, Spain for instance, during
this time, they were slow to catch on in other parts of
Europe. For the mint master there was very little profit
in making copper coins even though the populace
needed them.
This was minted in Antwerp.
This Briquet was minted in Antwerp. Bob
Levinson states that there is an overdate,
(I/0), for this date.
The mint is uncertain for this coin according
to Bob Levinson. There are also two varieties
for this coin. A long cross that interrupts the
legend and a short cross that does not. The
above example is the short cross.
This thread is great, but not all of us have super fast modems.
Some of us live in countries with crappy internet services and thus loading the page takes over a minute.
Can we please have a new thread, or at least sequester the 15th century coins from the early 16th (Pagination).
I have fibre, but in New Zealand our best speeds are 30Mbps and that is off peak times.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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I will wait until Tuesday to start posting again. I hope that
gives the powers that be, time to start a new thread. I will
continue with the date 1479 AD at that time.
@ngdawa Yes, all of the coins that I have posted so far have
a date. When you are looking at one of my posts, the image
on the left contains the date. Most of the time the date will
be in the 9:00-12:00 position on the coin. The date will either
be stated in modern Arabic numbers that we use today, in
Roman numerals, mix of Arabic and Roman numerals or as
a partial date with the last two numerals. Many times medieval
numbers are used, for instance, the number "4" will look like
a "ribbon", the number "5" will look like a "7" and the number
"7" as an upside down "V". I hope this answers your question.
If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask.
This Spitzgroschen was minted in Zwickau. This is one of the first two Early Dated
pieces I bought from Glenn Schinke at the Atlanta ANA WFoM in 2001. This piece, along
with the other, will go to the grave with me. Over the years Glenn has sold me several
Early Dated coins. He is very knowledgeable and friendly.
This double Briquet was minted in Dordrecht. Less
than twelve collectable.
This Jager was minted in Wijk- bij- Duurstede. This information
comes from Bob's book. This well preserved piece is one of
my favorites. Not bad for 540+ years old.
This Spitzgroschen was minted in Freiberg. This is the second piece
that Glenn Schinke sold me twenty years ago. When ever I'm at the
SDB I take them out and look at them.
These coins are all magnificient - briquettes and all.
Some are real works of art in themselves. Today's workaday machine produced steel discs don't have s$%^ on these silver masterpieces.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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The coins from Germany for this date are very rare.
Three of the issues are known by less than 7 or fewer
collectable examples each and the other two are either in
a museum or known by only one example. Austria has
two coins for this date, one in a museum and the other
known only by a single example.
This is the only coin for Austria with this date. My family
visited Graz in 1964. This Achter was minted in Graz. This is
the only dated coin produced for this year by Austria. Less
than twelve collectable.
Germany produced four different dated coins this year. All of
them are either R-5, less than four collectable or R-4,
less than seven collectable. The Southern Netherlands
did not produce dated coins for this year. The
Northern Netherlands did produce dated coins for this year,
but I have not been able to acquire one. The rest of the countries/
regions listed in Robert Levinson's book produced no dated
coinage for this year.
*AH878 started approximatetly 1473/05/29 and ended approximately 1474/05/19, depending on whether or not moonrise was visible in the minting city. Year of greatest overlap is 1473AD.
Germany as well as the Southern Netherlands did not produce any
dated coins for the year 1472. The Northern Netherlands produced
five different coins, three of which are very rare. Austria produced
two different examples, both being rare/very rare. Switzerland, Italy,
Scandinavia and France did not produce any 1472 dated coinage.
The coinage of 1471 and 1470 will have similar results.
This is a Kreuzer. It was minted in Wiener Neustadt.
Germany did not produce any dated coins for this year. Neither
did the Southern Netherlands. The Northern Netherlands produced
three different coins. Austria produced three as well with two of
them being rare/very rare. The other countries or regions did not.
This Kreuzer was minted in Wiener Neustadt.
The ID for this coin should be IV-21a. There are
two other dated coins from Austria. I bid on a
IV-22 recently and I did not win.
This Stuiver was minted in Deventer. There are
two other dated coins with this date from Northern
Netherlands.
There are no dated coins for Germany, Southern
Netherlands or the other countries/regions listed
in Levinson's book.
This is a Stuiver from Deventer. There is only one other known
dated coin from the Northern Netherlands.
This Horngroschen was minted in Colditz. Germany produced
seven different dated coins of this year, four of which are rare/very rare.
Austria produced two different dated coins for this year. They are both
rare/very rare. The other countries and regions listed in Levinson's book
did not issue any dated coins for this year. Some believed that the 1460's
were some of the rarest dated coins. Once Robert Levinson
published his book in 2007 all of that changed. Several large groups of
1465-1469 Horngroschen came to auction. Hohn and WAG both have had
large quantity and high quality groups over the years. That is not to say that
the 1460's are common, not at all, just that the opportunity to acquire one
will be a bit more frequent. Overall though, the quality of many of these pieces
is still lacking, especially in the central features. Fortunately the date is on
the outer portion of the coin.
Got back from my trip to Atlanta for the mid winter ANA show.
The show was steady for the most part. Several dealers there that
dealt exclusively with ancients. The show cases were loaded with
$100+ coins and quite a bit of Roman and Greek gold. None of the
dealers there had the usual double row boxes with the cheaper
world coins. I usually pick thru the Hungarian section looking for
$40 or less pre 1940 coins. None of the foreign dealers brought
cheap paper money. Something like 25@$20 selections. PM was
not flying off the tables, odd since everyone was concerned about
the stock market correction due the Coronavirus situation. Oh well,
I'll post what I have for 1467. We will hit a stopping point if someone
can't post coins for 1464, 1463, 1462 and 1461.
This is a Horngroschen from Leipzig.
A Horngroschen from the Cassel mint.
This is from the Marburg mint.
This is from the Colditz mint.
I've tried several times to upgrade these pieces, but
have not succeeded.
The Duchy of Saxony produced several different pieces at several
different mints. I have only been able to secure the more common
pieces. Southern Netherlands, Austria and other countries/regions
did produce 1466 dated coins. I was able to secure a Kortling from
Gottingen in a recent Kunker auction. I hope to show it after Todd from
BluCC works his magic. Tomorrow will be my last post until someone
posts coins from 1461-64. I have coins with dates 1456-60 with the
exception of 1457. We will see what happens.
Always thought the earliest in standard numbers was 1484 a certain Swiss or Tyrolese thaler with a knight and shields around it (I forget where and the denom - but a huge silver coin)
Then I noticed most of these earlier coins had different symbols for our numbers, a 4 looked more like a knot, an arabic script 7 on a 1470s Dutch coin and some usage of Roman Numerals and of course places that merely showed the last 2 digits of the date.
It has been educational and we love it.
On CCF they have started a new edition the 6th and I can participate as they are only back to like 1977!
Will we start a new edition, although its obvious all generally end in the mid 15th century. For some reason, most Medieval European states did not want to stick clear dates on coins until then besides the one offs like the 13th century Danish coin with the Roman numerals.
On the other hand, Arabic coins are often dated from the beginning - coins dated as early as AH 40 issued by the Ummayyads exist (661AD).
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This is a Kortling. Looks pretty nice for its age.
This was minted at Colditz.
From Freiberg.
This is all I have for now. I can post some coins prior
to 1461 should we get there. My earliest would be
1374 that is listed in Bob's book. I have an earlier dated
Spanish coin that used Caeser Augustus' calendar system.
I'll check by periodically to see if anybody posts coins
from 1461-1464. Maybe someone with an Islamic or
Oriental collection. Till then.
They reason why this has stood still in 5 years years is because don't have the next date. By skipping dates you are ruining the whole game, and it's better to start a new one. But maybe that's just me?
They reason why this has stood still in 5 years years is because don't have the next date. By skipping dates you are ruining the whole game, and it's better to start a new one. But maybe that's just me?
+1
skipping = cheating 😉 (though I could not find it in the rules)
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
@ngdawa I waited 5 years for someone to post a coin from the years
1464-1461. No one did.
This is when you restart the game. We did this quite a few times, and everytime when we got stuck we started over and came further back each time, as more people joined. Skipping years is what we called “cheating”.
This thread was zombied for 5 years and then bought back when someone found some mid 15th century coins. None of us want to wait 5 more years.
We should start a new thread with 2025 and do a year a day, with people showing coins on each day, 1 day a year like CCF does its coins by year threads. Of course we could have some rules, like no more than 5 photos per post, 1 hour posting breaks to allow others and a ban on photos over 300kb in size.
It would spark some interest here, as the first 150 years would see nearly everyone posting coins and engage people.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
This thread was zombied for 5 years and then bought back when someone found some mid 15th century coins. None of us want to wait 5 more years.
We should start a new thread with 2025 and do a year a day, with people showing coins on each day, 1 day a year like CCF does its coins by year threads. Of course we could have some rules, like no more than 5 photos per post, 1 hour posting breaks to allow others and a ban on photos over 300kb in size.
It would spark some interest here, as the first 150 years would see nearly everyone posting coins and engage people.
Agreed as it would be fairly easy for the vast majority of us as most coins all the way back to the early 1800s are easily findable and don’t cost too much, it reminds me of the A-Z of countries as coins topic a few years back.
I agree with the rules as one year each day would keep the thread active for a good year or so before it becomes difficult. However I’ll like to add a few more.
To encourage more diverse posts maybe from 2025 until 1900 or 1850, users can only post one coin from their collection every 5 days, 7 days or 10 days. For example I post a photo of a 2020 coin the I’ll have to wait until it gets to 2010 before I can post another coin.
Bonus points for uncommon, precious metal or low mintage coins as it get pretty boring if all of us posted Lincoln cents, 1920s onwards pre decimal pennies or WWII aluminium Francs.
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Agree with second point no the first. I think everyone should be allowed 5 coin photos per year. They can show a single coin (x 2 photos for heads and tails) an d yes I found on CCF, several photo hogs showed massive photos of common coins (A Canadian called Dorado was the worst and my complaints about him, eventually got me the boot).
Also I noticed Americans bombed the thread back to 1800 with images of Morgan dollars, other American coins and especially commemorative half dollars of the 1930s. In one year 1936 they put out like 21 Commem Half dollars and 5 Americans (Its an American site and has a Trumpite imperialist apporach to American superiority) showing all of them made 1936 impossible for anything else. Then 1935 to 1878 is Morgan mania. I love Morgans, but there many other fine coins issued between 1878 and 1935 that came from outside the USA.
Once we got before 1780s (The Americans had every proto American token and continental cent too), we got some cream, mostly European yet one man showing us a series of Arabic khanate coins that had AH dates that went back to the mid 1300s.
2nd post I totally agree, and also we limit the showing of the same coin in one year to 3 (three) times. Finally when we have too many rules, its getting hard to Police them.
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it get pretty boring if all of us posted 1920s onwards pre decimal pennies
Blasphemy! 🤣
Britannia Pennies are the riason d etre of coin collecting!
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