24 hours per year, starting at UTC/GMT/Zulu midnight (Google "Zulu time" if you're unsure what the current time is).
Include a link to the Numista catalog for the coin(s) you're showing, so it's easy for people to see more info.
---- If it's not in the catalog, please create a new catalog entry if possible
Picture must be of your coin, currently in your collection. Not what you just ordered on eBay, or a coin you sold last year, or the photo from the Numista catalog, etc.
Non-Gregorian dates count for the Gregorian year they MOST overlap.
---- Non-dated coins made only one year are good for that year. Coins made for more that 1 year don't count.
Thank you for continuing this the previous thread. At this time I do not
have any to contribute. Starting in 1499 I will . While I do have a few coins
that would fit with this thread they are not a high quality and worth
photoing. @phfoticus has shared dozens of nice quality coins. I hope they
continue to do so.
Without Lithuanian half groats, Hungarian denars and French thingees, we would have nothing to show. The number of dated coins in this era is thinning out.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Quote: MoneytaneWithout Lithuanian half groats, Hungarian denars and French thingees, we would have nothing to show. The number of dated coins in this era is thinning out.
The number of dated coins from 1500-1550 is quite extensive. German and Austrian coins to
name a couple. Just depends on your budget. Northern and Southern Netherlands have several
to offer. Copper coins from this time frame also become more frequent with dates. I believe the
English started dating coins 1548, but they can be budget busters. The Germans had a few issuing
authorities minting Goldguldens. There again budget busters. One could actually post several
coins for each date going back to 1500. Just depends on your budget and opportunities to acquire
them. German thalers are also available, but are very pricey, $150 and rising quickly. The specimens
that @phfoticus is sharing with us are in remarkable condition. I look forward to the next posts.
Quote: "Moneytane"Without Lithuanian half groats, Hungarian denars and French thingees, we would have nothing to show. The number of dated coins in this era is thinning out.
Actually, I don't have any more "French thingies" for this thread. Mostly what I have (back to 1501) are:
- Lithuanian halfgroats
- Polish coins (small)
- Hungarian denars
- Duchy of Prussia groschen
- Coins from various German city states
My experience with the post 1580 denars are that there was very
little quality control or pride in producing a pleasing product. The last
few pieces that you have posted , Hungarian and others are really nice.
Nice coin, very well struck and "Round" for the era. Back then, few would have suspected Prussia would become the German Empire in 330 years and hold the world to ransom in the early 20th century.
I think it is great too this thread has been going non stop since 2018 coins back in July 2018 and here we are in the age of the Reformation, Charles V, Henry VIII, James V, Christian III, Gustavus Vasa, and Francois I. The early Renaissance.
Out of interest, 1542 was the year Henry VIII's (England) flagship the Mary Rose sank and sat forgotten until 1982 when it was risen and we saw relics of this long distant era.
Congratulations and thanks to everyone who has posted a coin or coins here. I have enjoyed it immensely so far.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Interesting how now virtually all coins shown will be Europe, but then again apart from Arab states and the Ottoman empire, no other polity was dating their coins by year.
SUMMARY OF DATES ON COINS USAGE IN WORLD.
In 1542 - Americas - Only Mexico city mint in operation and most Spanish coins not dated until later 16th century
Asia - Lots of states and Japanese and Chinese empires, they had dated coins, but to the nearest emperor only (China, Jialing emperor - Shizong) but his coins are only datable to his whole reign (1521 - 1567). Japan, coins before 1600 are almost impossible to find. Other statelets -some were lumps of metal.
India - Mughal emperors, possible to find Mohurs dated in AH 900s - rare though
Persia and rest of Middle East - Dated coins are possible, but most would be silver and gold, most copper worn away or forgotten.
Ottoman empire - Never seen too many of their coins before the 1600s, but they must exist - it was at its peak under Suleiman the magnificient (1520 - 1566) and there must have been many coins issued.
Australia - run by Aborigines, who had no idea what money was - trading and gift giving.
Pacific - Ditto, various tribes people (Possibly barter currency like stone rings and fish. bracelets, tools etc)
Africa - some Islamic states may have had coins and empires like Ghana, Songhay etc may have had gold and slave exchanges, but nothing resembling coins except possibly copper manillas were in use (These were unmarked let alone undated). Some Portuguese coins may have been in use in Angola, Mozambique and the brief Christian Kongo kingdom.
Eastern Europe and Russia, Dated coins in wide use in Poland, Lithuania and Baltic states, Russian coins restricted to near worthless wire money dengas and kopecks.
Southern Europe - coin usage - but few dated before 1550s. Generally much poorer, illiterate and more feudal than Northern and Western Europe.
That really leaves North and Western Europe and hence why all the coins dated are from there. These states were the richest, most literate, free and likely to use dated coins than any other. However when we got back another 100 years, that will change as we enter the medieval era and the only renaissance taking place was in some parts of Italian city states.
Hence my summary on coin and dated coin use in 1542.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Hello everyone, I hope all are well. I am really enjoying the coins that @phfoticus
is sharing with us. I've never seen the 1/2 batzen from Nordlingen that they posted.
I'll say it again, the Hungarian denars are of amazing quality. The ones in my collection
are not nearly as nice. I hope all who read this have a safe and joyful Christmas.
The Year of the battle of Mohacs and Vienna nearly fell to the Turk, Hungary became a client kingdom under the Ottomans and would not be "liberated" by Austria, until the Treaty's of Karlowitz and Passowitz (1699/1718).
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
If you can get us to the year 1499 I can post some coins.
I have pics for 1504 and 1503 but they are not the quality
photos that you present. 1502, 1501 and 1500 will be a
challenge.
I'm not familiar to the protocols of threads on this forum. I will
leave that decision with you. I've really enjoyed the coins that
you have posted thus far. I'm anxious to see your pre 1500 A.D.
pieces. I'll start posting in a few days.
Quote: "phfoticus"I have dated coins back to 1498. After that, I have a few dated coins back to 1470, and one for 1465.
Are we going to start a new thread at 1499, or is the current thread still short enough to continue?
I think it is more interesting for a new thread to not to limit one day for one year. Just wait for the photo of dated coin from anybody and pass to the next year only after somebody post photo of the previous.
My personal list of scammers from Numista: erniemix, yvain, CassTaylor
Phfoticus - without you, we would not have a thread and nothing to look at.
Thanks
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
@Moneytane You are correct!! @phfoticus has shared many wonderful examples
from their collection. I have a couple of kortlings, but mine are pre 1500 A.D. Has
the forum decided on how we will proceed after 1500 A.D. ? I would still do one year
per 24 hour period to let everyone participate. The decision is upto the forum.
Time to get my conical hat with gauze and winkelpicker shoes out. And where is my hurdy gurdy (Oh its being borrowed by the Rolling Stones - the in group of the 1400s).
Dated 15th century coin (Not mine!!!) - can't see a date on it either, apparently 1482
Clothes would not be this ludicrous again until 1967! Commoners,not everyone was royal, a merchant or a Renaissance luminary.
Mods feel free to delete this post if its not appropriate. It was a bit of humour.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
I see we've arrived at 1500 A.D. Do we start a new thread or continue
with this one? Since @phfoticus brought us to this point in grand fashion,
I think they should decide. My only suggestion would be to keep at one
year per 24 hour period.
A 4 Groten from the Bremen mint.
The reference number is per Robert Levinson's
book "The Early Dated Coins of Europe 1234-1500"
2nd ed. All photos that I post are created by Todd
@BluCC.
Quote: "arpad"
@phfoticus, I am Louie. These are my coins. I just use a
different name here. I'm not sure about the term legendary though.
You're definitely a legend among the denizens of the "How Far Back Can We Go" threads. Those of us still left had a hard time getting the 5th edition thread back to 1461 (where it is now stuck), so the 4th edition could be closed and the 6th edition could start over again at year 2020. We had to rely on three AH-dated Indian Sultanate coins to fill in gaps in @spence's OFEY collection, along with @EddieDiz's undated Hungarian denars.
What intrigues me in these 1499 coins is that most of them have a completely different 4 written in their dates. Was that normal, there was another way of writing?
My collection that I have focused on the last 20 years is 100% coins with
dates before 1500 A.D. I've only bought 6 coins since the 2001 Atlanta ANA
that were not related to this collection. While I enjoy collecting these coins
I am deeply disappointed when I am beat at auction. In my collection I have
over 220+ different coins as catalogued by Bob Levinson's book. I even have
the two Spanish coins with the Es Safar date 1204, 1166 per our calendar.
This thread will finish at 1465 unless someone has 1461-1464. Most of these
four dates are either very rare, rarely come up for auction or I have not won
at auction (2 different coins) even with very aggressive bids, sometimes
multiples of high estimate. I have dates that go back to 1374. Around 30
or so coins. Todd at BluCC has imaged my collection except for 20+ that I've
bought since Balt./Whit. 2019 spring. I hope the forum enjoys our Early Dated
treasures, many of which are truly rare. I'll post my 1498 coins tomorrow
after 2:00 pm EST. If any of you are planning on attending the ANA show in
Atlanta at the end of Feb. please let me know so that we might get together
and talk coins.
@phfoticus You've posted several nice pieces of Early Dated coins
on CCF. I saw the 1463 coin on MAshops, and that is well out of my
price range at this time. Maybe someday.
Those that participate in the "How Far Back Can We Go" contests
should alert members on other forums to get them involved. In my
case, I had a difficult time figuring out how to post pics on the various
forums. For me CCF was difficult because of all of the "cropping"
one needs to do. I'm not sure how the moderators would react if
one of its members posted a plea to the CCF members to help out
on a similar project on another forum.
Crimean Khanate - Akce - Mengli I Giray (Caffa Mint) year 903 (1498).
The coin is not yet on Numista (I will add it soon).
UPD: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces80827.html
It was changed from the similar coin without mint. There are links to the coins from the same time but different mints
By the way, this coin is available for swap for something interesting:)
My personal list of scammers from Numista: erniemix, yvain, CassTaylor
Hello @Grinya, The coin you posted is interesting. Where on the
coin is the date? What calendar system were they using at that time?
The year 903, what point in time is that marked from? Was it the start
of a country or the first ruler? I am sure that some of these questions
will be answered when you list it on Numista. I've never seen a coin
like that and I'm just curious. I saw on your profile that you live in
Russia. You have an excellent command of the English language.
Thank you for your words, interest and questions. I will try to answer, but as the answers may need some long texts I will do it mostly with some links))
Thank you for your quick response. I will read through everything you recommend
when I eat lunch. The year 903 (1498) would then be 595 (1498-903= 595) . What is
the significance of the year 595? Thanks again. Arpad
This is a rare Early Dated copper piece. This
Double Mite was minted in Namur.
This goldgulden was minted in Nordlingen. There
are less than 12 collectible.
When I post a coin that has a certain number of coins collectable,
I am referring to the number that are available to the public. This
number does not include coins in museum collections or unknown
pieces, those that are in private collections. These numbers/ facts
are per Robert Levinson's book "The Early Dated Coins of Europe
1234-1500" 2nd edition.
The catalogue number should be I-362a. This
Ducat was minted in Hamburg.
