Copy all french comments to empty english comments

Hello,

I made severals CR to remove french comments to the english side as the comments were only copy past from french to english.

All were rejected with the justification it's better to have french text on the english side than nothing.

Those are the pages I requested to change:

N#205571

N#205593

N#205594

N#205599

N#205604

N#205617

N#205562

N#205245

N#205209

N#205223

N#205228

N#204993

I stated to the Master referee that after the removal of the french in the english side will look like this one:

My point was, it's better to leave the french in the french side this way you know the source language and you don't have to guess which language was used to create the english comment.

I looked at the guidelines  to see if the fact to copy past french comment to english was allow and nothing seems against it.

So as a Master referee argue it's better to keep a french comment in the english comment section why don't we make it everywhere instead of only few pages?

Exeptions are not really a solution so let's make a rule out of Master referee statement,

English comments are only in english. Please appeal the rejections :-)

Compendium

English comments are only in english. Please appeal the rejections :-)

I just get more rejection now …

What? Appeals were refused?

Compendium

What? Appeals were refused?

No, no but I made more CR and get more rejection, regarding appeals I have some running since April so I don't hope to get any reply on those I made today in 2023.

Who refused please? This way we can DM to point here :-)

Indomini16

Compendium

What? Appeals were refused?

No, no but I made more CR and get more rejection, regarding appeals I have some running since April so I don't hope to get any reply on those I made today in 2023.

Why allways complain in the forums ? Follow the appeal process, as asked by Compendium repeatidly in different threads, and wait like everyone else do. If the Appeal process is not up to your expectations, maybe you should write private messages to the Numista team members (Xavier, Jarcek and Compendium) as asked by Compendium also. Why don't you follow the directions from Compendium when he ask you to do something… and stop the public bashing of referees and complain about the Appeal process. You are complaining about referees not following the guidelines but you are also not following direct instructions. 

Again, why don't you become a referee yourself ? By now, you surely have acquired the knowledge and you look to have all the time needed on your hands.

André,

Québécois

Again, why don't you become a referee yourself ? By now, you surely have acquired the knowledge and you look to have all the time needed on your hands.

Why are you so interested to see me becoming a referee? Maybe I applied and was just not the best candidate?

I'm not interested in you in anyway. I have some interest and appreciation for the referees doing free work on this site. Just stop the public bashing of referees and loosing our time reading your eternal complaints about your CR being rejected… encore plus si c'est un travail que tu refuses de faire.

If you complain about someone doing free work be sure you are willing and can replace him.

Automatic translation solves this, there is no need for any change.

Jarcek

Automatic translation solves this, there is no need for any change.

There is no automatic translation when someone put the same french comment in the english section; it is bad to do so because:
- any update on french comment is not reported automaticcally on english side
- it prevents automatic translation

- it potentially create unnecessary hints due to weird french words considered as english field

My understanding is that the change requested here is precisely to remove french text saved in english fields, right?

There is a bit of miscommunication here. If we delete French comment on English side an keep French comment on French side, content of French side is auto translated to English side.

Jarcek

There is a bit of miscommunication here. If we delete French comment on English side an keep French comment on French side, content of French side is auto translated to English side.

Yes totally :-)
It's why there is a need for changes in the entries where this fix was rejected, right?

Oh I understand: you were answering the title of the thread. 

I feel Indomini's suggestion was more of a “joke” based on the refusal he received, than a real suggestion though

Compendium

My understanding is that the change requested here is precisely to remove french text saved in english fields, right?

Yes and no.

I had a hard time to show that removing french text saved in the english side is beneficial for everyone, as CR were repetidly rejected.

Now French text copy/past to english without translation have to be prohibited by guidelines as the recent improvement make it useless. 

Indomini16

 

Now French text copy/past to english without translation have to be prohibited by guidelines as the recent improvement make it useless. 

It is already, as its stated I think that only English text should go in English fields

Compendium

I feel Indomini's suggestion was more of a “joke”

Not a “joke” but a Reductio ad absurdum :-)

Hello,

I believe this topic is clarified: the English version of Numista should contain only texts in English, as already mentioned in the guidelines (here).
Please appeal any change that may have previously rejected, and Jarcek will approve the removal of the French text from the English version of Numista.

Compendium

It is already, as its stated I think that only English text should go in English fields

I may have read it too fast but didn't saw that.

Indomini16

Compendium

It is already, as its stated I think that only English text should go in English fields

I may have read it too fast but didn't saw that.

Here https://en.numista.com/help/general-guidelines-for-all-texts-186.html

See the section 3.1 of https://en.numista.com/help/general-guidelines-for-all-texts-186.html:

Unless there is a different field-specific instruction, always use English or English versions of the different terms